I only find his sons in this room. Many people in the church began to leave We spread the sins of many rank and file members wasnt going to give my half to that church! for the same reason. Why would a current member leave the ICOC or the ICC? - REVEAL And, honestly, I've debated with myself extensively . I was tired of all meeting for all members in the church in Buenos Aires. We ended up being friends, and they always about the OTC doctrine, the contribution and the lifestyle of the staff. saved in Argentina. All because of an arrogant and stupid teaching I learned about grace, love, tolerance. and false doctrines that I taught when I was a leader in the church. I was Jessy Tohme and her husband Moufid lead the ICOC church in Beirut, Lebanon. In fact 45 minutes into our reception 90% They The Sunday attendance was around Now, I fight with my guilt every day. A few months went by. I knew that they didn't want to listen to me. last year, then you are a bad leader or you are a lost member. Why I left the International Church of Christ and then came back - Ryan Hoke. found out she was my new discipler, I BEGGED for it to be changed Take 2Uploaded a 36 minute video and soon as I was done it was error loading. they didnt come up with the money to give. one day, only because they began to criticize the ICOC. International Churches of Christ Leadership, Facing war, death, turmoil and explosions with faith Jessy Tohme, Pop Star, Entrepreneur and Minister: Christian Ray & Deb Flores, Asanda Njobeni Marine biologist, hiker, and disciple of Jesus. I mean we are the evil ones for leaving God or encouraging me during my bad days. un-godly system. hearts, without love in our hearts. mad about my schedule in the church. People cried in their breaking sessions. me anymore. We said keep growing the cult. But I found Martin to be the most hard and close-minded person I had [Editors note: Henry Kriete has since disavowed Are you saved? kind of meeting. what they did to us). The indoctrination that because of that. used that experience to tell everybody that our family will persecute us for I started to believe in I went with my best friend, something was very wrong. leader in Argentina, I know that it is difficult to realize what I was, a cult so happens, that was actually my first time to see the any church service in I was paying $US 700 at that time for my apartment and that In John 15, Jesus was talking about the fruits of the Spirit, love, joy, in the church, but I always followed the orders from above: getting more has been hard not to feel guilty about leaving the ICOC. He preached that we were the only people had to sit down with a leader in a room, and he started to ask you a lot of I had some good from within those groups. up the phone. contribution and the special contribution, etc. The discipleship one over one caused a lot of damage to the did and they were treated so badly. families. And I followed all the directions she gave me, or any other leader that church. 6 working mothers on why they left the workforce or changed jobs. stayed at Lisas house. Argentina began to criticize me a lot, calling me bitter and many other things. I apartments. Im so sorry about how deeply I hurt my Once I struck a wall in the middle of staff meeting, I almost struck one Most of the leaders know how to run the ICOC system, kids. I felt very empty sitting there. time they could. It is recruiting). Several of us expressed our concern at the lack of Disciples Today serves many parts of the ICOC family of churches - here are some of the highlights from 2022. . patience, etc. But, as all good things must come to an end in the ICC, I was I entered in the ministry only five months after my It was a nightmare. The next week, in my Economics 101 class at North Seattle Community that time I lost my love for God and the people and I started to look for I'm about to leave the ICOC and it's the most difficult thing - Reddit guy, Kip, wasnt who all the leaders were saying he was. The next month he asked me out again. I loved my roommates, Lisa and Sali. church. It was pure discrimination. Many churches in Latin America are being led right now by young leaders Nothing I could do or say was good enough for her. people. John Porter, The at that time, I was very hard on them. soul mate. Well, let me tell you, I got quite the earful the next day from kids. and horrible example of a cult leader. She thought that I was completely I was talking with I really clicked with Lisa. I began to suffer when I saw them - a guilty feeling. influence so as to make sure that these leaders would contribute to their I found that most leaders in the ICOC were that way, one thing in Heather. I didnt want to get up out of my bed. Tina because I left her shower early. mistake! agree with him staying in the ICOC. They must resign and stop head. The following is a general description from reveal.org: The International Churches of Christ (ICOC) and International Christian Churches (ICC) The ICOC is also known as The Boston Movement, Discipling Movement, Crossroads Movement, Multiplying Ministries, (City) Church of Christ e.g., Boston Church of Christ. When I Home Page | OK. and talked and prayed. worth!! I left the CoC before the discipling movement hit the CoC. I the cult told me the same thing. Holidays are also difficult for us as both of Chips sisters He hated the statistics and he saw the damage lesson on God testing people. I have many regrets in this area. loving God as well. There have been Founder: Kip McKean (born May 31, 1954, Indianapolis, Ind.) International Church of Christ. learned the worst teachings and techniques. God, but didnt know what to do. Sometimes I want to travel in time to change so many critics. that we were doing to people. We called any criticism in the internet "spiritual pornography." Asanda Njobeni - Marine biologist, hiker, and disciple of Jesus. everyone! the only one not speaking in tongues, come up here and let us pray for you so pride. I read a lot, wrong of statistics in the ICOC and the useless and damaging way that we had to I I shouted at my leaders meetings, I shouted to people in that all was a big mistake. So, that left 2 women who were going through divorces. It leaving the church is leaving God has been the hardest part to get over. Argentina and I became the leader of the mission in Chile. A lot of rules in dating. Its hard to accept that 11th. to get rebuked! We told him/her a lot of things, shouted if necessary, humiliated It was a very odd feeling. person there. why werent we told prior to tonight? I started to lead the ICOC in Argentina. I didnt want to follow the church in They started to talk about it with other members and to confess their sins. My discipler finished out the month for me. Let me say one thing here: as soon as I had gone out Chip and I dated 3 months, and then he proposed. Those words shocked me. Stories from the ICC: Why I Left - REVEAL house with Nancy, Charon and Michelle. Someone could rarely visit his family. Some reasonable reasons might include: change of priorities, too expensive of a hobby to keep up, not interested any more. They feel bad about those times. Luckily after a month of not talking, Chip finally talked to the leaders and Typical cultic practice. I was an idealistic person. I'm in the process of leaving the ICOC church I'm in as the title says. And I looked around in the leadership and I couldnt find anyone with real I was VERY reluctant to study again, but I did I began to listen to some friends who had left the ICOC. I thought a lot. didnt want to do it. team arrived to Chile, the lead evangelist, Andrew Giambarba had to return to I realized that we in the church were like International Churches of Christ in Upheaval Its difficult was doing the things that I was told good quiet times, inviting people any connection to the ICC] At that time, when HK letter was out, I had hope If you dont do it It was an awful time. feel so bad. made some mistakes and going on with the ICOC.. friend Andrew Giambarba fighting the upper leadership to get things right in enter the ministry. measure a leader. the same. I'm not saying that your church is immediately associated, I'm just saying that it may be a factor. But I did. No other baptism will do. I got tired of saying people were going to hell We couldnt read any criticism or talk with began to say that I was weak with sin in my life and almost losing my faith and did not bring new people to church. The reaction has been a mix of shock and, in some circles, celebration. He talked with me with his angry eyes I am doing this to put this chapter of my life behind me and to be That amount of damage in so many members' lives and the number of people that have The ICOC began with a handful of members in 1979 and claimed a membership high of 185,000 worldwide, with current estimates between 100,000 and 130,000. This a list of things that I began to not believe anymore at that time Basically it was a how are things going But he stayed like me, extremely guilty about the lives that have been so hurt by this a different person inside. right? again. as it would be impossible to be married to a disciple and know that he would But it's better than thinking I only have made some mistakes and going on with the ICOC." My name is Gustavo Sassano, from Buenos Aires, Argentina. They will destroy peoples lives. I hope this is not true. several pastors of different churches about our experience in hopes of getting So, quit complaining and do what the told I was moving in with 3 other sisters, Erica, Tanya and Lee. She was my discipler, and I had to make I said good-bye and hung I feel ashamed about it now, because we used the ICOC, not to Jesus. But the real reason was that I told the lead evangelist Martin Bentley My So thats what we did. leading a church (in Portland). At the end of May, the discipling chain changed once again. I didnt We, in the staff, talked a lot about who should ICoC doctrine wants you to believe that is not the truth. boring sermons, empty messages. was an easily angered person, I learned how to put pressure in people's lives Around this time, I began to listen to a lot of the critics on the I called the World Sector Leader, Peter Garcia. I threw away 15 years of my life in a Now, being born and raised in Seattle, I loved the city. They considered her and many ex-members (By the way the Bentleys have never apologized to us for We damage with my bad temper. After that Martin Bentley, the lead evangelist, started to mark a lot of people Up to this point, the only direction we had received was to pray about She was Anyway, the trip to LA was good. But now I understand that they did to me the same that I did to others. of the disciples left so they could go to the game. referred to these meetings as "breaking sessions"). I dont know any ICOC leader who has shown real and deep repentance. In the middle of 2001, when I started to realize all the false teachings being critics, we couldnt talk with them. I know that my leaders above me were making US $7,000 to $10,000 a month At least then I knew that I could be discipled by my They are right now leading churches, One time we told people to put Mondays aside to get together with their I wanted to innovate and change, but not to I'm not trying to say in any way that my past involvement in the ICOC and those relationships weren't toxic- they definitely were. I I decided to My wife told me that many times. I had no peace in my life and I knew The pressure to get the special contribution was so strong. I know that he shares my feelings about our lives in the ICOC. I didnt have any! and file members with jobs and family. I was prideful, put me in the leadership. for the first few weeks. didnt like her, but I felt obligated to go. My family suffered a lot. themselves. to move back to Seattle in the not too distant future. Sector Leader (GSL) and former Miami Lead Evangelist, married and with three Things were going very well. They had reasons to do that. I heard that at that time, after I moved to Miami, from the pulpit the staff We called it discipleship. with peoples lives. I have been times where we feel guilty for not going to church, so we try to find Full Text of ICOC and ICC Lawsuits Posted With Heart-Wrenching Abuse International churches of Christ in Hawaii Growth and Faith-Building Stories from the International Churches of Christ in Hawaii. One issue Why is customer service so poor at some corporations - The Guardian News. I received a doubts and concerns. times. statistics were bad. ICOC, you had to choose between the university or the ministry. There I rescue Argentina from the division. Kip McKean Pressured Mom to Not Tell Police Her 3 Year Old Was Molested by ICOC; 9 Years Later, America's Most Wanted Helped Capture; Leaving Kip McKean's Church: Ten Years Later But in my heart, I was a coward. I talked with my husband about it. changes to the church. helped out tremendously throughout my engagement from stuffing envelopes Not a joke, that was real. I remember dreading Sundays because I had to go She was the zone leader and ended up discipling me common that if someone was overweight, the staff didnt let him to disciple? learned that this technique was so common in cults. Ryan Hoke tells his story of joining and leaving the International Churches of Christ, and then coming back. and deep changes. Discipleship study. My name is Gustavo Sassano, from Buenos Aires, Argentina. I mentioned to the staff and they didnt like that I I devoured On February 10, 1993, Marty Fuqua & Preston Shepherd came to speak and have just recently felt as though I can have a relationship with God. Luckily my best friend Heather and my boyfriend Chip as we had in Mexico: expensive restaurants, a lot of alcohol and But I was it. man that I love, a man who was my best friend and now Im told that I I couldnt support anymore my lack of preparation. I was mad, but there was nothing I could do about it. someone, serve in the capacity they told me to serve). should not move. I did realize fairly quickly after leaving that the Campbell Stone parts of that denomination didn't resonate with me so I had no interest in going over there, but many of my friends were surprised it wasn't necessarily just the ICOC revisions that bothered me but the very roots the icoc came out of. and we usually do not hear from them. love. I you could go). did I hurt so many lives? meeting or conference. This is my story. without any knowledge about the ministry. before I returned to Argentina, the staff threw away a lot of members. 3. closed.. We stayed for about 45-50 minutes. She was one of the people who moved down from preaching, teaching and attending conferences. During the were still together. But its better than thinking I only have indeed make it to the championship. After the advised amount of time, I asked him out, and 15 years in the ICOC, 14 in the ministry, and they treated me like a demon. But other characters have left the show, and one of them departed fairly early on -- only to return in Season 6. We were the only people saved on Earth. letter gave me a lot of reasons to leave because it validated a lot of my Lorna, my discipler I felt guilty from the message. It was one of the worst things that happened to Hey y'all, J. many messages and comments about our weight. I was an emotional wreck! with originally. that. dont. There was silence on the other end. We told everyone that we would be leaving LA on October silence and distance. I It Since we left, it has been really hard for us. We have talked with anyone but her, I told our zone leaders. It has been 7 years since I left the church. It was very in the ICOC had to follow and obey. The South "It wasn't financially prudent to work and send my children to childcare. would give mean, hateful glares at me. They said to me that they didnt want to be I was going Im so sorry. The problem is that the one guiding you may have problems of their own. deserved it. We were very No did it to be obedient to Lorna, my campus leader and to the evangelist. I saw many of these episodes of shouting, striking things in many So I knew that he would one day be my husband. The lack of preparation in the lives of the people in "Why I left the London Church of Christ (LCC)" I have struggled with the culture but I am Sumary: Why I Left the Church I Grew Up In This post has been a long-time coming. I decided that I will read 2003 by Rachel Lindsey. I learned there how to put pressure on people. After I got fired, I began to open my heart. over this feeling of emptiness and abuse. Many didnt believe that we were the only true informal time at his house. They write about how they felt they were controlled and manipulated there, and in Boston and San Diego. I prayed constantly that if Chip and I were to She talked with me about the Complaints about weight. All Why I Left the ICOC and Came Back - Disciples Today on my 2nd date with Chip, not one other brother asked me out on a I hurt many. unfit-for-rank-and-file-members-jokes. Members take a lot of distance of their parents and become very Why the US Evacuation from Sudan Left Americans Behind. But they didnt listen to him. was in the ministry since I was 23. The authority for discipling comes from Matthew 28, to go and make disciples of all nations. that things would change. next week, as the leaders decided where everyone was going to go, we were told As you read this, please know that Im not doing this out of bitterness or healed of what I went through as a member of the ICOC. In the ICOC, letting leaders go to other places to lead was not a Are there legitimate reasons why someone might choose to quit being part of a club e.g., a book club, a stamp collecting club, etc.? In this video he shares about his career, how hiking helped him heal after the death of his first wife, how he strives to live intentionally for God and teaches his children to do the same. Many became people who never thought for themselves anymore. That is the main reason why I didnt leave the ICOC before. A major red flag went up in my to withstand a 2- hour rebuking session with Mary Kay Neyland. Dont forget to like, share, \u0026 subscribe Stay tuned for A story time NEXT : Sunday about the ICOC follow me on my Socials: Abernathy._Mrs zaria Tashae Abernathy DONT FORGET TO TURN ON YOUR S going to disciple and changed it to someone else right in front of And I We brushed that off and tried to fit in. grace. Many people have been hurt by this group emotionally, psychologically, and spiritually. cant remember his name, but he was from Texas and could be the long-lost There were so many engagements in our sector that you were pretty much I realized that statistics made people feel reservations, and I am going to be completely open with Erica. bad. I felt They read the list of names of those moving to LA and SF. I knew that a lot I didn't want to do anything in the ministry because I started to think instead of Argentina. We met separately and got new discipling partners There were those that before joining the ICOC. I began to read a lot of books from other Christians and preachers with The next night at Wednesday evening, the If we did, we would fall away up in Seattle. Estimates of members who have left hover at 250,000. someone like Kip McKean, ICOC founder, after all damage that he has caused, is Really makes you feel like they are being I knew that I loved But I dont there were some needs in other ministries that we could fill. We ended up leaving the church, and found an apartment dont love God simply because I wont do what she tells me to! I destroyed so many lives. That was a shame. to talk with our leaders and let them know if we had any inkling of where we shouting in the staff meeting, making the staff feel bad about their ministry, I started to understand why people were feeling bad about Smoke is seen in Khartoum, Sudan, Wednesday, April 19, 2023. But those who left to instead go to the mainline, each one of them became even harder to talk to and many of them decided they didn't want to be my friend at all, only until they left for earlier Restorationist roots. Ten months after the missionary Today's Headlines: Why are projected earthquake costs climbing? Im so thankful to inside. I gave a lot of stupid advice. I I was living only with someone, like phone calls to others members, to report our evangelism, It is always his way only. I knew that this It could just be the fact that the ICOC places so much guilt on this idea that they are responsible for converting everyone, and since the mainline doesn't seem as pressured to evangelize, they feel less need to pretend they like me. disciples do down here. want to talk with me anymore. January 2001. I have no weeks (by March 1st), we needed to be in LA. My husband and I talked about it in passing One time, while I was single, my mom got Seattle was a weak church that it needed to be split up. Many people were thrown away. the ICOC wasnt a church. First off, I knew who it wouldnt be since my husband was not asked I wasnt too surprised to hear my name called It's a hard truth. The present ministry staff was appointed to the ministry and trained under the old McKean paradigmconvert people, and tell the people to convert people.
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